Seekins Precision will also be making AR-15s and barrels in .300 HAMR. Or will it work with pmags? If a competent marksman can get a 120 lb. Ammo Brief: Why The .300 Hamr Nails It For Hunting. Style and Appearance * * * * * Only a faint hint of copper showed along the edges of the lands, certainly not enough to affect accuracy. You know what they say, the harder you work, the luckier youll get. Congratulations to Bill and his team there. 30-30 occupies a sweet spot between power and shootability. WC 300 HAMR case 30-30 is effective at short range hunting mostly because of the bullets it uses, which are medium weight for caliber bullets, of very light construction, and most importantly of blunt shape. Its not what I would want to lay prone behind all day, but its light weight, shoulders solid and very quickly, and establishes a good cheek-stock-weld for me. The .300 HAMR is extremely accurate because the twist rate is optimized to work with a set bullet length and velocity. It was originally called the .30-30AR. Max load: 26.0gr A1680 or 27.2gr H CFEBLK One virtue of the .300 HAMR is moderate muzzle velocity that results in good terminal performance with a wide variety of bullets. I set the stack of paper 25 yards from the muzzle, where impact velocity would be high. You must log in or register to reply here. Plus generally cheaper mags, barrels, complete guns, loaded ammo. 300 HAMR closely matches good old .30-30 Winchester, and that was Bill Wilsons goal. Im shooting 135gr FTX bullets from Hornady. Or, am I missing something? An AR that matches its terminal performance might just be the perfect marriage of cartridge and rifle. The short Blackout case was designed to allow for the use of the long and heavy bullets that made it the subsonic wonder cartridge it is. 2510FPS Hunterswanted a better cartridge for big game, and certain elements of the militaryconsidered replacement of the 5.56 NATO. This not only makes practice very pleasant, but it allows much faster repeat shots if somebody runs into a bunch of pigs. I have done 15 twist Ham'r barrels and 8 and even 5 twist Blackout barrels. Nuff said. But elk are big. He was already well into his search for the perfect AR-15 pig cartridge and at the time was concentrating on the 6.8 SPC. The 300 Hamr wins handily. Get the latest news and reviews from Gundigest.com. I asked the clerk at the signup desk how many they have sold over the last year, he said 2 or 3. No animal Ive shot with the 300 HAMR has needed a follow up shot. Get the 76th edition of the World's Greatest Gun Book. Max load: 27.5gr A1680 or 28.0gr H CFEBLK Designed to Handle bulletweights from 110 to 150 rgains. If you love to wear vests? At 200 yards, the .300 HAM'R hits with 40 percent more energy than the .300 Blackout, which has about twice the bullet drop at 200 and 300 yards than the .300 HAM'R. I run a suppressed 24 6.5 Grendel for longer range nighttime pig fun. We want you, our readers, to be able to make informed decisions. However, the other two bullets also performed very well, as I expected after field experience with both. The velocity gains claimed over the 300BLK, and the corresponding energy delivered, were significant enough to justify the caliber. After just a few shots, the epiphany came down. Yeah. 's blog. Once I thought I saw a failure to feed. The test rifle was a Lightweight Hunter equipped with a Trijicon 3-9x 40mm AccuPoint scope, one of five Wilson AR-15 models offered in .300 HAMR. South in body, even further south in mind, Multi-Caliber Magazine - AR-15 - 30 Rounds - Black, Multi-Caliber Magazine - AR-15 - 30 Rounds - Desert Tan. A major online retailer lists 58 loads for the .300 Blackout and the only thing they sell for the .300 HAMR is unprimed brass and dies. Because it is limited to lighter weight bullets. The Nosler 125-grain AccuBond penetrated 8 inches and retained 78 percent of its weight. I was showing my Uncle my 6.8 build and he was telling me about a 300 Ham'r. Youll see the 300 Hamrs case length is longer than the 300BLK. An AR is designed for self defense, why would you want to hunt with this. 125gr Speer TNT #1986 However! They vary from 6 pounds to 6 pounds, 7 ounces in weight without a scope and mounts, though one model, the Ranch Rifle Package, comes with a 3-9x 40mm Trijicon. Out of a compact .30-30 lever-action with a 16-inch barrel, the shooter can expect to push a 150-grain bullet to about 2,250 fps. Its been my experience at 50 yards or less the deer I hit with the .44 Mag 240gr soft points went down quicker then with the 30-30 150 great soft points,,,,within 50 yards that is. The problem with Wilson Combat is they obviously love their guns so much that they dont want to sell them. of energy. Fortunately I bought all the important reloading components ahead of time. Once considered a problem in the South, their numbers are increasing in northern states, where some biologists thought winters would kill them off: Colorado, Michigan, New Hampshire, Oregon, Vermont and Washington. I think Wilson will sell about 20 rifles. Reliability * * * * * Both will do an excellent job of doing what they were designed for. If certain crappy movies are direct to DVD, then there are always these new cartridges that are direct to obsolescence. However, from a supersonic standpoint, where rifles are used to stop big critters or bad guys, the .300 HAMR is a much better option. What is 300 HAM'R? Even uppers alone are $1200+. Is the case wider? Nope, not built for subs. Has an COL of 2.260 inches, so it functions in an AR-15 magazine. If Im looking for a serious medium game hun ting rou nd in the A R 15 platform Id probably just go with the 6.8spc. If subsonic shooting is what makes your heart go pitter patter, go with the Blackout; it may be the best subsonic cartridge of all time. Maybe not so with the 300 Hamr. The result was the .300 HAMR, which is a modified .223 Remington case necked up to .30-caliber. 300 hamr check. I dig the 6.5Grendel as well and hunted with it last year. Hell, Ive been paying them for about 15 years now. Oddly enough, if you reload, the 300 Hamr is actually cheaper than the 7.62X39, because reloadable 5.56 brass is cheaper than 7.62X39 brass, and .308 bullets are slightly cheaper than .310/.311 bullets. The parent case is .223 Remingtion necked up to accpet a .30-caliber bullet. Maybe Im a perfectionist, but a bolt or lever rifle is far easier to maintain. Ron Reiber of Hodgdon Powder Company then recommended Hodgdons new CFEBLK powder, which improved accuracy and velocity with less pressure. Because its not the same cartridge. Spend $3,700 on a gun to shoot ammo that you cant find . Velocity range 2190 2250FPS, Speer 150gr FNHC #2011, 2.145 OAL I know this cartridge was never intended to be used subsonic but has anyone tried it? Copyright 2023 National Rifle Association, Women On Target Instructional Shooting Clinics, Volunteer At The Great American Outdoor Show, Marion P. Hammer Women Of Distinction Award, Women's Wildlife Management / Conservation Scholarship, National Youth Shooting Sports Cooperative Program, Top AR-15 Chamberings: 8 Great Do-It-All Loads, Lessons Learned From a Ballistician | An Official Journal Of The NRA, Preview: Mission First Tactical EXD Rail System | An Official Journal Of The NRA, Hornady's 6 mm ARC | An Official Journal Of The NRA, Review: SIG Sauer MCX Spear-LT | An Official Journal Of The NRA, First Look: Mission First Tactical Multi Mount, Is It Right For You? Throwback Thursday: 5 Long-Slide Pistols I Can't Live Without. Thats from a lightweight semi-auto AR-15. While all this was going on, Bill Wilson, the founder of Wilson Combat, was establishing a ranch near Cuthand, TX, and it was plumb overrun with feral hogs. I own blackout(2 in fact14.5 & 16) 6.8spc, two 5.56 a 14.5 & 18& a 6.5 grendel & even a smith & Wesson 5.4539 uppers. It is a loser at everything, a winner at nothing. Reactions: strikeeagle1, TACC, Forgetful Coyote and 3 others. And from all the testing and reports its exceeded that.. Good looking round and numbers. This round lives up to the hype. Simple swap. A simple barrel swap will put you into a select group of demanding riflemen. During the .300s development it became apparent very few powders would be appropriate for the case. Thought a Beretta shotgun was out of your budget? well these came to the us in the late 1980s. Finally finished yesterday. But considering it will fire a 130gr round faster than Barnes claims they can fire a 110gr round, youll see the advantage is significant. I had a 300bk and I didn't like the terminal ballistics past 75 yards with the same pill. It cant replace Blackout as a subsonic, but its dang sure replaced for me otherwise. 300 HAMR is a new proprietary round from Bill Wilson of Wilson Combat. There are also just no trade-offs I can name keeping a straight face. The information provided here does not represent the views of Cheaper Than Dirt! The 300 Ham'R is designed to be supersonic. Magazine Capacity: 5/10/20/30 Rounds This is an appealing round, no doubt. .44 mag is more powerful than .45 colt. 2280FPS With the .300 Blackout, which was designed to fire both super and subsonic ammunition, the twist rate is a compromise. Controlled Chaos out of an 18-inch barrel at 2440 feet per seco. Does The 6mm Creedmoor Super Sniper Hit The Mark? I need to figure out how to become a hammock sniper. I almost bought/built a .300 BLK upper last year but got distracted. Can a reamer for this purpose be purchased? out of my VZ52 rifle with 20 barrel. I love the round. Even by my standards thats pretty lazy. With the new 300 Hamr, he may very well be the first to actually get it right. Wilson Combat has also introduced ve AR-pattern ries for the new chambering: Bill Wilson Ranch Rie package, Tactical Hunter Model, Ultralight Ranger Model, Lightweight Hunter Model and the Ranger Model. Tests of the (left to right): Lehigh 110-grain Controlled Chaos, Nosler 125-grain AccuBond and the Hornady 150-grain InterLock RN in dry newspaper indicated all three will penetrate well on pigs. Those same folks will miss at 400yds, but I digress. CFE, of course, stands for copper fouling eraser. All the Wilson ammunition was loaded with CFE BLK, and after the range session I took a look inside the barrel with a Hawkeye bore-scope. Its just not quite the same without the little loop under the g un. Well, I know what youre thinking, that sounds like a .300 Blackout. Not for me. Now for, deer, pigs, or black bear, thats a very different story. Its got a 308 bolt face. I love this round! Save my name and email to use for future comments. In my neck of the woods, Marlin 336s are far and away the dominant lever gun. Just get it to market,,,,,,,,,,,,,, Your email address will not be published. People are telling me they are coming back to their old level of quality. A lot of folks, like me, have used the ballistics of the .30-30 to justify hunting with the 300 Blackout or the 7.6239. and i can use the same bullet to load in my 3o-06 even if i prefer a little heaver bullet for that . I read somewhere Mr Wilson kind of foo-food on that bullet and its length. However, if you want to shoot through barriers, deliver hard hits, and strike with the most lethal punch you can from an AR-15, at reasonable engagement distances, the HAMR is the answer. There are eight loads of 300 Hamr ammunition currently available from Wilson Combat, and more will soon be offered by HSM ammunition. Get the same gun made by Colt or Smith&Wesson and pay 1/2 the price. So the 300 Hamr beats the 300BLKs supersonic performance, as well as the 7.6239 and even the 7.62x40WT. Start load: 25.5gr A1680 or 26.0gr H CFEBLK The 1:15 rifling twist of the barrel easily handled a variety of bullets from 110 to 150 grains, including the (1) Sierra 110-grain HP, (2) Lehigh Defense 110 Controlled Chaos, (3) Sierra 125 ProHunter HP, (4) Nosler 125 AccuBond, (5) Speer 130 Hot-Cor FN, (6) Hornady 130 Spire Point, (7) Hornady 150 InterLock RN and the (8) Speer 150-grain Hot-Cor FN. Of course, one advantage of the .300 HAMR over, say, the .458 HAMR, is lighter recoil. Overall * * * * * Founded by Frank Galli in 2000, Snipers Hide has been offering informational videos, podcasts, and other support to its users in one location. Lee Precision dies produced very straight ammunition and the box includes a length/headspace gauge for resized cases to ensure they will chamber easily. Most take a dirt nap right after the trigger is squeezed. Pet Loads and Handloader are registered trademarks of Wolfe Publishing Company. As manufacturers get a handle on the current ammunition situation, you can expect more loads from more manufacturers to follow. also energy numbers are just that numbers not necessarily real world performance. CCI450 All comments are held for moderation and will appear after approval. Yeah, but its not. Mr. Clark, neither of the companies youve listed make a firearm in this caliber. $3650. I could also see why Bill had told me that, if I saw a pig, shoot it in the neck and then follow up with a shoulder shot. No need for pressure abatement precautions. But. 130gr Speer FNHC #2007 (OPTIMUM hunting bullet for terminal performance) Factory 6.8 ammo is fine. Notify me of follow-up comments by email. Really in the end the only thing that matters is the prey dies. One more point, and a most fortunate one. The receiver sets and furniture all share a theme, and flow well together. #A300HMR-110-HPV, 110gr Lehigh Controlled Chaos As said, and as always with Wilson Combat, you can get a complete gun, complete upper or the components separately. not a similar rifle that uses different ammo in the same magazines that can blow up your M4 if loaded into it. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. The factory 7.6239 in the same barrel length and bullet weight (Winchester 150-grain Razorback XT) develops 2,056 fps and 1,408 ft-lbs. Shoot the animal 500 yards away from the back porch. Its accurate. If you dont hunt pigs, you dont shoot pigs, so I headed out to a particularly wooded area the very first night I was there, knowing it would likely take several mornings and evenings of hunting to be successful. I know, Ive used them. With a 16.25-inch barrel, the .300 Ham'r sends a Sierra 110-grain hollowpoint to 2,600 fps with 1,651 ft-lbs. Start load: 25.5gr A1680 or 26.0gr H CFEBLK The Tactical Hunter model gets a threaded, match-grade, 18-inch, fluted-stainless-steel barrel to wring out optimal velocity from the 300 HAM'R cartridges. I don't know for sure but it also seems to retain 5.56 mag capacity. Shoulder angle is 30 degrees. Rounds like 7mm TCU shoot very small groups using a bigger bullet, smaller case formula, and so does 300 HAMR. Bill Wilson said he spent more time on this single project than any other in his long career, and it looks like the .300 HAMR will be a hit except among feral pigs. I put far more emphasis on shot placement than energy. Last edited: Nov 30, 2020. Wilson based 300 HAMR on Kurt Bucherts proven-good-but-obscure 7.62x40mm Wilson Tactical (WT) thats been available from Wilson Combat for years. #4, attached to the bottom of that iron ore rock? Shoots flatter than .45-70 or .44 m ag. 110gr Lehigh CC #05-308-110-CUSP (our partners at Lehigh Defense designed this bullet specifically for the 300 HAMR to provide extreme accuracy and deadly terminal performance) A 1:15 twist rate for the barrels nished the equation. #3. Over the course of three days, we shot the hell out of several Wilson Combat guns chambered in the new cartridge. Wilson sent the AR with optics sighted in. Gold $$ Contributor. https://i.imgur.com/SNAMpQjl.jpg Earlier this summer, BillWilson invited several gun writers and me to his place to shoot and hunt with new Wilson Combat products, the 300 Hamr among them. It turned out he had actually considered naming the new round the .30-30 AR, but as a good friend pointed out, Only us old guys know and care much about the old thutty-thutty! (Apparently I qualify as one of those old guys.) Gun Digest editors know guns so you know guns. All the loadings are supersonic. Ugh another caliber for the AR. If youre going to have more powder and less magazine capacity in a 6.5mm, why not take it to the limit? Another factor in any rifles shootability, of course, is the trigger. Unfortunately, because Wilsons primary motivation for the HAMRs development was for hunting, thats the context the .300 HAMR is most often mentioned in. Millions of hunters have counted on it to bring down game for over a century, mostly in lever-action rifles. Wilson 300 HAMr (HAMR) twist rate for subsonic? Wilson Combat has achieved what many before them have tried. I have a LWRC Six 8 with different barrel lengths way under that. Even though the HAMR is running higher pressure than SAAMI ceiling-sets for a Blackout, its nowhere close to standard now for 5.56 NATO. Our black multi-caliber AR magazine has a unique tube design that ensures superb function between 5.56 NATO, .223, 300 Blackout and 300 HAM'R ammunition. Being an avid hunter, my primary interest was terminal performance, and the .300 Whisper just didnt get the job done for me. I let Bill know how well the rifle performed, mentioning this insight. The Hamr shoots a Hornady 150-grain SST to a muzzle velocity of 2,240 fps with 1,671 ft-lbs. Both Bill and Ryan used Wilson Combat AR's chambered in 300 Ham'r and pushing the 150gr Hornady SST bullet. I see normal spent case condition and nothing like extraction failures. If you look at Barnes data for the 300BO, which is on their site, for free, 2400+FPS is possible with the 110 and a 16 barrel. by the way, the above was with a 20 barrel. You obviously have a lot of knowledge and experience I and others could find useful if you aimed it in the right direction. The 150gr SST bullet punched right though the 250lb boars spine and kept on going. With practice and the right load it can hit hard enough to take deer sized game out to 300 yards Im not taking a shot longer than that with the naked eye.
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