China cannot enforce without participation of the Patented/Trademark holder. I have bought several other Hireko clubs and have been totally satisfied. Wanna buy some clubs? (E.M. I had a few years where I didnt play, but now that I am single digits HC I am going to spend the money for NameBrand clubs. I switched to the Hireko prophet irons. There are many reasons besides marketing costs why they are cheaper. Ill use Infiniti as an example. Paying full freight is worth it if the performance dictates. Id also love to see more articles on component manufacturers. Do a couple of irons too, test a 9, 7 and 5 iron from 4 or 5 different popular clones and their OEM twin. I will say that some companies make good in-house shafts. I know Wishon wasnt. Nice little golf club maker. You cannot paste images directly. I bought a pickup truck bed worth of components from the estate of a mom/pop club builder. He built mostly dynacraft stuff, so I got a lot of odd c Its in the hole! Carl Spackler. No one knows how sloppy things are manufactured unless you are right watching and know what you are watching for. You can also get many/most of their components from Value Golf (I'm not affiliated, other than as a customer). The only difference is that the OEMs have more money to bullshit the people in believing their product is superior to any body elses. Regarding Acer, most likely but don't know for sure. You are right, though, that golf is an expensive game. Of course the currently have their hands and funds fully committed going after Counterfeit Clubs. I worked in manufacturing for over 50 years and watched all kinds of products being manufactured from high quality aircraft bolts to electronic equipment to toys. So I just bought a real Titleist driver. I would like to see head to head comparisons of drivers, irons, hybrids, etc. Clones fall within legal guidelines and do not have the same name, markings or overall design. I cant say Ive chased the next new thing, only last year did I move the a 460 driver, of course I had to build three. . I actually built some Wishon/Sterlings (single length collaboration between Tom Wishon/Jacob Bowden) at multiple lengths (i.e. Thereby, purchasing Clones ultimately supports those factories who build Counterfeit clubs. No matter what your skill level, you want to play better golf. He also took the shine off them, and even worked the leading edge a bit. I suppose it may have been clever to put that in my first post. If a component seller such as Diamond Tour wants to be fully legitimate, they need to invest fully in true component companies such as SMT, and abandon the practice of selling Clone clubs. I cant say enough good things about the quality of the clubs I have purchased from Giga. Odyssey Putters; Clearance Golf Clubs Up to $180 Off TaylorMade Stealth Golf Clubs; PING G425 Golf Clubs; Shop All PING Golf Clubs; Super Game Although I have made several sets of look alikes mostly from Hireko I have found the Irons are great and although they should always be checked for loft and lie after assembly that using a good shaft the work just great. If you have a greater tolerance for the absence of feel, or unpleasant sound (and we know many do), then perhaps its time you stopped paying big bucks for name brand equipment, and started looking into a quality clone. I have made clubs for myself using Hireko components. Thank you for the update. I have been researching single length clubs again and I may just have to order a few Pinhawks to build/test. Sent from my Im fitted properly to my clones which is half the battle. Dont believe all this nonsense you have heard or read and then presented as factola! 5,6,7@ one length and 8-gw @ a shorter length) a year ago. Your previous content has been restored. Who is going to take those remarks seriously? But I think it would surprise most to know that only by 5.8 yards (2.2%). Ping, TaylorMade, Callaway, Nike, etc. From what I understand Dynacraft was a big name with amateur club builders and both dynacraft and hireko did/do a lot of club building education and seminars. PING, in an older Golf Digest article, seemed pretty adamant that their stock offerings are on par with anything sold in the aftermarket. I worked for Arnold Palmer Golf back in the dark ages and built and sold clones and knock offs for 20 years. Frustrating. There is a difference between Branded Merchandise and Clones, and that is largely quality control. I called Hireko and spoke to the guy who makes the videos (tech line). He explained that they design the clubs from Acer and most of the brands in The particular article referenced is one of many. The store will not work correctly in the case when cookies are disabled. between OEMs (i.e., TM, Callaway, Mizuno, etc.) Have you ever tried hitting a quality clone? You will receive personalized attention from the initial interview through product delivery. Not the muscle blade. Our all-weather studio is strategically positioned to face the golf range. There have been recent factories busted in China. Golfsmith were, er, well Golfsmith and we'll leave it at that. By far the best feeling head/shaft combo Ive ever had. They are good components and last as long as other components, I have bought. YOUR DIRECT QUOTE: And all golfers know it isnt them, it is the clubs. GigaGolf offers True Temper shafts as their standard shaft and you can upgrade to different shafts and grips of your choosing. Custom fitting is no longer a specialty service reserved only for tour players. Do not know how close they are to spec or how they rate to the other good non OEMs. Give me a web site that shows the difference names of club components and the quality of the components so I can make an informed decision so that I dont have to rely on a manufacturer who has advertised his name to be number one. So not stolen lol. I might be having a slight case of buyers remorse but Ill get over it since both sets are fine clubs. Factory heads seldom are more than 1-2 grams off specification. From affordable golf clubs for those on a budget, mint golf clubs, and many used golf clubs with light cosmetic wear. Some features of a driver, its head size, for instance, cannot be protected, but others can. MyGolfSpy, INC. All rights reserved. Maybe the new Golfworks KE4 can play like the originals but for cost these keep me in the 80 range on the scorecard. and components (i.e., Alpha, Hireko, Golfworks, Snake Eyes, Wishon, KZG, etc.). It looks like a mirac Its in the hole! I understand the average iron costs less than $10 to make thats head shaft and grip. The uninformed, the newbie, the consumer who is jealous of the success of OEMs and their need to earn profits. We use cutting-edge technology (Trackman & FlightScope) together with visual analysis of ball flight to provide the most thorough fitting experience available. Example, a set i built last year,.winn tac mac grips(the best)DTs smoke shaft,(as good as a 30dollar shaft)black& silver ferrells, and DTs cavityback blade heads in smoke/black color, (really sharp) with all 4 Diamond Tours wedges,.and 2 matching hybrids(#2,#3) with head covers,..BUILT for ME, (short man), so set was shortened cut,shafts spline alin, lie angle changed 2 degrees flat, loft angle adjusted, all assembly,packed, shipped to my door,..for I think it was around $ 450 +/- ! Thank you MGS for this great, unbiased comparison. I have a loft lie machine in the basement, so no big deal. Gap distance is very good and the strong lofts assist length in the 5, 6, 7 irons. Knock-Offs operates under the same principle. So, I could care less about design copy as I am the quality that goes into a club. Ive tried Hirekos Green Ghost and Blue Crush and DTGs FGS Nano and Id put them up against anything out there. Wanna buy some clubs? (E.M. Although new legislation is going to clarify this further. GOOGLE Counterfeit Golf Clubs and take a look at how rampant it is. This site is protected by reCAPTCHA and the Google, (your email address will not be published), Costco Kirkland Performance + Golf Ball (Version 3), Costco Kirkland Signature Wedges Version 2, http://www.diamondtour.com/golf-bags.html, http://www.pinemeadowgolf.com/golf-clubs/accessories/. When it came to heads Golfworks was the best. Didn't find much else on here, so that's why I started the new thread to explore more. Read further and you will find that the same factories involved are also producing Clone Clubs. The clubs were built with FST 90 regular tip trimmed shafts for a 6 iron. Learn how your comment data is processed. There are different levels of counterfeiting, says Debra Peterson, a U.S. customs official who was involved in Project Teed Off. I found the Pings to be slightly easier to hit off of different lies and are less sensitive to slightly less then a good strike. Light and low torque. I think I am going to get some components and try building an over length set. (Major as in U.S. Open, Masters, British Open P.G.A. Note: The FTC considers the terms Clone and Knock-Off to be identical. After viewing product detail pages, look here to find an easy way to navigate back to pages you are interested in. But even this line is blurring with some of the reputable clone and component companies out there in recent years. If a manufacturer doubled his price on his highest priced clubs (lets call them X) making no other change except price (lets call the inflated priced clubs Y) and taged the Y clubs ultra sales would probably increase for both clubs, some wanting the very best because theyre priced higher, and some saying This club looks just as good and I can buy it for half the price of the other! The mental human factor. No need to point that out and recommend starting a new thread for those who insist on making that there lifes mission. There is no substitute for having a good swing and practicing the right stuff. Wish they had a 58*, but it's just 52/56/60 in that product. That is a ridiculous statement to make thatthe component industry has more firsts then the Majors!! I like both Hireko and GolfWorks but for different reasons. But not the component club heads. ! They must have played some part in your tests. In my opinion this is the single greatest point of differentiation between the two clubs. WebHirekos stable of recognized clubmaking brands include Acer and Juggernaut in clubheads, to SK Fiber golf shafts, to Karma golf grips. Giga provides a great club for the average golfer at an affordable price. Yup, found that article. Didn't find much else on here, so that's why I started the new thread to explore more. I have found lots of Maltby lovers From what I understand, Bang Golf doesnt make clones nor knock-offs. So while, technically you may not be buying and thereby promoting counterfeit clubs, you are in fact enabling those same facilities to continue by buying Clones/Knock-Offs. Not so many Hireko/Acer/Pinhawk. Do yourself a favor and spend the extra money you save on clubs with clones getting lessons to improve your swing. I am very happy with them but often wonder if I spent double on brand names would it be worth it- they would have to be heaps better ! The long irons are 5i length and the mid and short irons are 8i length. For example, a comparison between the ACER XF Leggera and TM Burner 2.0. Wishons new single length iron design concept EQ1-NX offers same length and high COR low loft iron characteristics while adding many new performance enhancing features to mark a definite step forward in game improvement iron design. Why buy a clone when you can get very good used OEM or used component clubs from great firms like Wishon or KZG? Im 62 and have been playing golf since I was 7 and up until recently, like most people, played name brands forged clubs. How is the overall health of golf these days? An excerpt from Pssst . In my opinion, like I said, I would go with OEM. I no longer build drivers or sets, because I was checking iron set I received and the individual weights varied as much as 12 -15 grams which can be huge. Even with a $2700 bag of Pings latest game improvement sticks. 1. I do not know if you are getting your information simply from other posted articles or notbut it is once again not the case. Web275g head weight with hosel weight bore allows assembly to any single length between 35.5 and 37.5 while still being able to achieve a reasonable range of swingweight/MOI nice way to put down your own company. Actually, Steve, Tom Wishon has LOTS of golf club patents in his name. Pab, if you have read the posts above you should come away confused (as I am) as to whether non OEM brands might be best. Id love to see MGS compare irons. It would be more honorable for a person to show up with RAMs purchased at Target than to use Knock-Offs/Clones. The connections between CLones and Counterfeits have been made. WebThis Meant grips, shaft, length and even tweaking the head itself. Powered by Invision Community. They were almost new and i could tell they had only been used a handful of times. who would do that ? The only problems with clones is that there arent clone golf bags! And some use the exact same molds. I used Geek Drivers in Senior Long Drive Competitions, none of which I won, but it wasnt because of the Geek equipment, it was a faulty swinger (me) not the equipment. I submit that much is misguided and misinformed. Okay, you somewhat mixed it up. As for the clone argument, are those on the side of the big manufacturers going to stay on their side if we take this argument to off brand manufacturers who design and make some very good clubs but dont have the budget to promote like the giants? It doesnt cost that much more to purchase legitimate past year models. I certainly believe there is little difference in shot results from an overall performance. Shafts can make a huge difference, and fitting an expensive aftermarket shaft in a $50 clone driver seems well, counter-intuitive. But not the component club heads. the consumer. All those statements do is hurt the component biz. How about paint quality? Spin While many manufacturers are promoting less spin off the driver, the truth of the matter is that the distance equation is far more complex than less spin = more yards. In my experience, an average length hitter who hits very accurately will beat a long hitter with low accuracy, almost every time out. The long irons are 5i length and the mid and short irons are 8i length. Turner T7 that resembles a TaylorMade r7. . Apart from obvious esthetic differences, one noteworthy point of differentiation is that the Tour Burner takes a .350 tip shaft, where as the clone (the Heated), takes a .335. Notify me of followup comments via e-mail. And I think you might be in for quite a surprise! (Yes that myth is true), There are basically 3-tiers of golf club manufacturing to make it simple. WebUsed Golf Clubs. Within minutes a graphics designer at Yarn-Way had downloaded the logo from the TaylorMade shaft onto a computer screen and was making minor design and color alterations to it. Im tired of spending more on bags than I do on clubs! Eliminating the human factor suggests we can hit a golf ball off the tee with precise consistency if we use the same club. Do the clubs from Hireko stand up to Maltby? For the best experience on our site, be sure to turn on Javascript in your browser. Ill start off by saying I have both OEM and clone clubs in my bag (I have the new Taylor Made R1 driver which I love that just replaced my old Taylor Made R7 and Ping 3 hybrid, and some older Ping woods). SWIFT, DON YAEGER. In addition to his editorial responsibilities, he was instrumental in developing MyGolfSpy's data-driven testing methodologies and continues to sift through our data to find the insights that can help improve your game. WebGOLFDOM is THE Golfer's Store, complete with everything our customers need for on AND off the course. Counterfeit golf equipment is NOT the same as clone equipment. GW: Dynacraft Dual Milled CNC 52*, Steelfiber 125 S; Scratch 8620 DS 53*, Steelfiber 125 S Your link has been automatically embedded. Pasted as rich text. A Clone or Knock off is not hard to see. Head is just going along for the ride. Now woods I have a little different take. He explained that they design the clubs from Acer and most of the brands in their website. In no way do I have the means to measure every single piece of equipment to find out how many clones or OEMs were outside of tolerance but Im willing to bet its not as much of a disparity as some people would lead you to believe. These shafts do perform differently from one another. Four yardincrements makes it hard to play a course. I met him in person at an Lpga event in Atlantic city (he is the caddie/boyfriend of Sara Brown. The topic were covering in Edition #2 of the MyGolfSpy Labs is one of the most debated topics the golf equipment industry has had for the past 30 years! You can do lab tests forever, but if a club does not feel right for your swing, it doesnt matter how it did in tests. All three are quality products, at least as far as I can tell. Oh , incidently, this thing about the heights of people I feel is not an important part of the fit. Ninety percent of amateur golfers play with the wrong equipment. I am/was a Dynacraft Class A clubmaker and a member of the old Dynacraft ProfessionalClubmakers Society. These cases have been won in other industries. Putter: Snake Eyes Viper Tour Sv1, 34"; Ping Scottsdale TR Craz-E, 35"; Cleveland Huntington Beach 1, 35" Square headed drivers made from wood in the 1800s. Im glad the rental only cost me $15.00 any more and I would have been upset at myself renting them. Hireko has existed since 1981 per something I've seen online. I like them a lot, price was great, looks are great and pleased with the performance. Dynacraft were clone heads but had a following. Funny how the name brand club manufacturers try to bury information that might hurt their status and sales. I have tried and love my Maltby gear. Thanks guys, have fun. Regripping We offer all of the grips offered by Golf Pride, Lamkin, Winn, and Super Stroke. Most of all Tony believes in performance over hype and #PowerToThePlayer. There may very well have been rogue foundries that produced Clones while also producing OEMs. For all 3 testers, the TaylorMade Burner produced measurably higher clubhead speeds than the clone. You can post now and register later. They make their own designs. The brand doesnt seem to make much difference in quality to me. The 2nd tier often makes some of the mid-size golf companies that a lot of you play but they also make some of the top components and clones for companies like Golfsmith, Hireko and Diamondtour. 2nd Swing also offers custom options to make sure your used golf clubs are built with the grips, wraps, stamping, paint-fill, and specs that fit you and your swing. Your recently viewed items and featured recommendations. My opinion, I think that what ever works best for you is what you should buy. Top subscription boxes right to your door, 1996-2023, Amazon.com, Inc. or its affiliates.
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